GNU/Linux Naming Controversy – Vlog


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  1. When you mention (BTW I know this is an old video) early on that why we should call all these distros "Linux" because Android and others, I… disagree. Why? I think "Linux" or "Linux-based" is fine for all Linux distros in general, but if we're specifically talking about the "Linux" we all know and love, unless it's the kernel, then GNU/Linux. It's because I see many noobs thinking "desktop Linux" and "Android" are the same, and when we know it isn't and people explain, they say stupid shit like "well Android is Linux, but less Linux than Linux."

    DAFUQ?!??!?!?!?!?

    No, no, Android IS a Linux distro. 100%. However, because it lacks GNU, it isn't GNU/Linux. In fact, I'd define it closer for GNU/Linux and consider it is any system with Linux+Glibc (as the core C library), as it's the bare core of a usual modern desktop/server Linux distro. That includes Chrome OS. And Android lacks Glibc, so there ya go.

  2. I strongly preffer GNU/Linux or GNU+Linux or just "GNU Linux". Because it started with GNU project which now runs on millions of machines including Supercomputers, Govt Officials, Intelligent Branches etc. We can't deny how it started. Think of it.

  3. lignus aka cullingus street name for it

  4. I've heard linux in esponal as linux in my friends and relatives household who are from mexico

  5. What about a higher level acronym? LIGNUS (Linux In GNU System)
    This does not replace either name, so we are not stepping on any toes, it is specific to GNU/Linux while nicer sounding. You could pronounce it, "lie-ganoos", putting emphasis on the GNU part but still it sounds kind of like Linus too.

  6. This ego-centric naming shit's been going for so long.
    Stallman and Torvalds should've made an agreement and called it "Ginux" (G-nux) or something and be done with it.
    Since they didn't, and since everybody is saying it's linux, it is already linux. This conversation is meaningless.

  7. its gnu and will always be gnu

  8. I call it GNU Linux.
    And Linus is a jerk.
    Its not his.

  9. I suggest to call it something like Ginux
    Where "Ginu" is another version of the recursive acronym GNU (GNU is not Unix)
    And it still resembles the name Linus
    And also it's not a mouthful

  10. "calling Linux in general "GNU Linux" I think is just ridiculous."
    – Linux Torvalds

  11. i call it GNU/Linux or GLinux because i think ethics are important and i think that people could mistake GNU/Linux and Linux Operating Systems. Android being an example.

  12. both Stallman and Linus should step down.

  13. How about Glinux?

  14. Linux is a universal term. I'm Czech, so from a Slavian country and it's the same here.

    As for the consoles you've been talking about, I completely agree. I understand that they want to make money, every company does, but forcing people to buy a new product just after a few years seem too much. The range of companies that do this is slowly growing and I see it very negatively. May it be a gaming console, a phone, or a pc, people just need and expect them to last several years so they can work and have fun. Most people don't have the resources to be able to buy a new product every 2-3 years. If they want a new product, fine, but keep supporting the older ones. One such example I have is Amazon. I got a 5th gen kindle and 2 years after I got it they introduced a feature which allows you to share your read books on GoodReads, the book social media, but they of course wouldn't introduce such update to older models. Anyone who'd want that would have to buy a new one, which is ridiculous.

    As for the marketing of Linux, well, I do agree with keeping as simple as possible. People don't want complicated things. And telling people it's opensource can be nice only for some. Some don't know what that means and many Windows users don't care because we had to get used to Windows not being anywhere opensource. They should think of other characteristics to bring people in. As in very similar to Windows, easy to use, free and similar. That's something people look for and listen to mostly.

  15. If we can learn anything about the success of Ubuntu and Android and the growing excitement over SteamOS… it's that we should neither call it GNU nor Linux. From a marketing perspective "Linux" has a bad wrap as an OS for hackers (another term which has its own share of bad marketing) that you have to be some kind of uber-genius to use. Meanwhile GNU is something the average joe hasn't heard about at all and accordingly simply communicates nothing.

    So, in casual conversation I think it makes the most sense to simply refer to the specific distro/variant by its particular name and leave it at that. If you're having a more technical discussion, then GNU/Linux makes the most sense, but then you're neglecting to mention X (or Wayland, etc.) as well as the 80% of software that makes up your GNU/Linux distro that is neither GNU nor Linux.

    I'm all in favor for using terms at times to introduce people to new concepts and educate them a bit, but if you don't have the immediate opportunity to follow up your usage with an explanation/discussion, then it ends up doing more harm than good. This is why I might remark in an one-on-one conversation "Linux is just a kernel y'know" but in more public settings I might simply say "You should give Mint a try" (being specifically careful not to mention "Linux" in the name at all, which honestly I think they can drop).

  16. PlayStation 1 cycle lasted about 6 years, PS2 7 years, and PS3 about 8.

  17. As I like to say, once the name sticks, you're fucked.

  18. Gee Trisquel is not Ubuntu. GTnU/Linux

  19. I don't know why people refer to it with the slash (GNU/Linux); by that I mean GNU/Linux over GNU—Linux or Linux GNU (or GNU Linux?), or GNU+Linux. To me slash is used to indicate either similar terms or as a logical OR indicator (this or that); GNU—Linux is neither of those 2 things, and rather a combination of GNU and Linux.

    The main problem with mentioning GNU now is that the train was missed. Any chance to call it that has passed whether it's accurate or not. Many words in English or other languages use improper terms to describe them, but it's what people use because that's how it developed.

  20. GNU was first, they developed a clever recursive acronym, they developed a LOT of the important software, but the name is just not as good. Linux is the obvious winner for this reason alone. It has nothing to do with politics.

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